Say it ain't so, Ron !!

[MaxCarnage]

That sounds right because I read somewhere that the standard body Redeye with rear seat delete is under 4400lbs but I cannot find the article. With the base stereo(no subs in trunk), rear seat delete, and base seats it should be close to 4300lbs. I have searched everywhere but can't find it now. I know I saw it somewhere. I remember reading it was within 100lbs of the lightest you could order a Demon. Can't remember what a base one seat Demon weighs.

I have base stereo too. So he will have less weight mostly from the difference of leather vs cloth. Plus any additional weight things like BSM, and electronic tilt added with my packages (needed for leather). I'll be curious how much difference it is. Although I like my leather so........lol.

 

[Markp]

4,400 (1,996) — SRT Hellcat Redeye without rear seat
4,443 (2,015) — SRT Hellcat Redeye Widebody without rear seat

I see a 43lb difference here.

4,451 (2,019) — SRT Hellcat Redeye
4,492 (2,038) — SRT Hellcat Redeye Widebody

I see a 41lb difference here.

Not sure why adding or subtracting a rear seat changes the weights +/- 2lbs, but I see weight difference of 41-43lbs WB vs NB. Unless I can't math today, lol.

Your correct my mistake.

 

[Markp]

If you look at page 11 on the link I posted you will also notice that a standard Hellcat sits a half inch lower then a widebody. Also the standard body has a lower drag coefficient. So widebodys are just a gimmick All that money for widebody just to fit 305s which fit anyways.

 

[DRAGRCR]

why not?

even though I ran my car on 100 octane most of it's life, I did not street drive it on 840 mode, although it was available.

It took me a second to figure this out......I did not use the 840 because when I drive on the street it was extremely rare for me to stand on it. My situation does not allow me to oughtright waste money. Of course I do but it is rare. I have learned that the asphalt will SCHRED the softer Drag Radials. I always ran ET STREET R's.

One time I was data logging my Hellcat with ET STREET R Drag Radials and I did something like 8 pulls from about 30 mph to 100 mph. I was rolling it down progressively in 2nd gear to WOT and then going through 3rd and 4th and then letting off. Mainly because I did not want the car spinning the tires. One time I looked back, and even though I thought I was hooked up real good, the car was still black tracking leaving 2 lines down the road. Well, I only got something like 38 passes out of that set compared to 60 or 70 passes. Lesson learned.

 

[Markp]

It took me a second to figure this out......I did not use the 840 because when I drive on the street it was extremely rare for me to stand on it. My situation does not allow me to oughtright waste money. Of course I do but it is rare. I have learned that the asphalt will SCHRED the softer Drag Radials. I always ran ET STREET R's.

One time I was data logging my Hellcat with ET STREET R Drag Radials and I did something like 8 pulls from about 30 mph to 100 mph. I was rolling it down progressively in 2nd gear to WOT and then going through 3rd and 4th and then letting off. Mainly because I did not want to car spinning the tires. One time I looked back, and even though I thought I was hooked up real good, the car was still black tracking leaving 2 lines down the road. Well, I only got something like 38 passes out of that set compared to 60 or 70 passes. Lesson learned.

Wait a second are you saying ET STREET Rs are only good for 60 or 70 passes? I have almost 100 passes on mine. They still look good and I do decent burnouts. I drove probably 1000 miles on the ETRs to and from the track. I guess I need to do longer burnouts?

 

[MaxCarnage]

If you look at page 11 on the link I posted you will also notice that a standard Hellcat sits a half inch lower then a widebody. Also the standard body has a lower drag coefficient. So widebodys are just a gimmick All that money for widebody just to fit 305s which fit anyways.

"Widebodies" are for those guys that want to go off-roading .

 

[DRAGRCR]

Let us know how those Hoosiers work out for you if you end up trying them. I haven't had a lot of feedback on them and I've been curious to try them as well. However, most seem to think IF you have great prep and get traction you'll go quicker with MT ET Rs. Is Carlyle Racing willing to extend that price to others? lol. I really want a set of Win Lites but damn they are spendy. Also like you said I believe the offset on Welds 6.7 BS vs the Win lites 6.5 would make for a slightly easier 315 fitment on a standard body. The Forgestar D5s seem to be a good price, but I'd prefer the Win Lites, but at double the cost......ouch lol.

How much do you charge for your airbag light bypass? You pulling the sway bar to help launching or weight reduction or both? lol

I have only resently ever pulled a sway bar. It's 13 or more pounds and it is weight up front. I also feel it is totally useless with a front Skinny. So it's just the hassle of removing and reinstalling it. In the Demon I doubt it helped the launch but on a Hellcat it might. My Buddy said he got 1/2" more droop by removing it from his 19 Hellcat so I assume more suspension travel.

I suggest you call Andy at Carlyle Racing and tell him you know me and see what price he gives you. When I called BS they had both wheels in stock. If you like the price I would go for it. Compared to Summit and Jegs he gave me a worthwhile discount.

I charge $125 for a Pass side Harness and $175 for a Drivers side. Drivers side costs more because I use a new OEM seat belt buckle and they caost me $47 plus shipping. I also do the bypass plug for the Windshield Washer bottle low level light. Those are $30. ALL prices include shipping via USPS Priority mail so you will ge tracking.

I think that Hoosier is likely to hook as well as the 315 MT. I was happy with the traction on the Hit on my Demon and was confident. I was planning on trying them at Irwindale for sure and then sold the car. The RedEye does not have drag suspension so we will see......

 

[MaxCarnage]

Wait a second are you saying ET STREET Rs are only good for 60 or 70 passes? I have almost 100 passes on mine. They still look good and I do decent burnouts. I drove probably 1000 miles on the ETRs to and from the track. I guess I need to do longer burnouts?

I have had to do some bigger burnouts because of poor track prep. As long as you are hooking, no need to do a bigger burnout. I had way too much fun with some burnouts on my latest set of ET Rs, so I'll likely only get 30 passes out of them, lol!! Those 40 degree DA days need good burnouts!

 

[Markp]

I have had to do some bigger burnouts because of poor track prep. As long as you are hooking, no need to do a bigger burnout. I had way too much fun with some burnouts on my latest set of ET Rs, so I'll likely only get 30 passes out of them, lol!! Those 40 degree DA days need good burnouts!

So how are you guys deciding when they are done? I always thought they were good until the lines were completely gone?

 

[MaxCarnage]

I have only resently ever pulled a sway bar. It's 13 or more pounds and it is weight up front. I also feel it is totally useless with a front Skinny. So it's just the hassle of removing and reinstalling it. In the Demon I doubt it helped the launch but on a Hellcat it might. My Buddy said he got 1/2" more droop by removing it from his 19 Hellcat so I assume more suspension travel.

I suggest you call Andy at Carlyle Racing and tell him you know me and see what price he gives you. When I called BS they had both wheels in stock. If you like the price I would go for it. Compared to Summit and Jegs he gave me a worthwhile discount.

I charge $125 for a Pass side Harness and $175 for a Drivers side. Drivers side costs more because I use a new OEM seat belt buckle and they caost me $47 plus shipping. I also do the bypass plug for the Windshield Washer bottle low level light. Those are $30. ALL prices include shipping via USPS Priority mail so you will ge tracking.

I think that Hoosier is likely to hook as well as the 315 MT. I was happy with the traction on the Hit on my Demon and was confident. I was planning on trying them at Irwindale for sure and then sold the car. The RedEye does not have drag suspension so we will see......

Awesome, thanks! I'll give them a call when I can. Money is a bit tight right now with house projects, but I really want a drag pack so I'll call them as soon as I can.

So is the airbag light coming on because the seat is removed?

Once I burn threw my current set of MT ET Rs, I will look into those Hoosiers. Always nice to try something new to see if it works better.

Appreciate all the info!

Waiting for a local(ish) track to be open. End of March......ugh damn winter!!

 

[DRAGRCR]

Wait a second are you saying ET STREET Rs are only good for 60 or 70 passes? I have almost 100 passes on mine. They still look good and I do decent burnouts. I drove probably 1000 miles on the ETRs to and from the track. I guess I need to do longer burnouts?

If you do not stand on it, the ET STREET R's do not wear much at all on the street. I did my 500 break in miles on a set and they still looked brand new. I think if you had really good prep all the time you could get away with a much shorter burnout. But at Irwindale if I cut my burnout back I would spin time after time. Or if I tried to run higher pressures. I will also point out if you have a 315/50R17 ET street R on a stock automatic challenger R/T with 345 hp you can get away with NO burnout. And, 24 psi.

I think the most passes I have ever got is a set I ran the majority at good tracks and that included 23 passes at Redlist where I hot lapped pass after pass with good prep so I cut way back on the burnout. I think I got over 90 on that set. Maybe 100. Can't remember. Do you keep good records or are you guessing?

 

[MaxCarnage]

So how are you guys deciding when they are done? I always thought they were good until the lines were completely gone?

I've only ran one set threw my RE so far. I do the same, I run them until they are bald, which the left usually burns the tire down a bit faster than the right. I've seen some people run them until the rubber is gone and the steel is showing. I won't go that far. I also would recommend getting rid of them if they are bald and no longer hooking as well.

If I try the Hoosiers, I need to figure out how far I can burn those down, since they aren't a radial tire.

 

[Markp]

If you do not stand on it, the ET STREET R's do not wear much at all on the street. I did my 500 break in miles on a set and they still looked brand new. I think if you had really good prep all the time you could get away with a much shorter burnout. But at Irwindale if I cut my burnout back I would spin time after time. Or if I tried to run higher pressures. I will also point out if you have a 315/50R17 ET street R on a stock automatic challenger R/T with 345 hp you can get away with NO burnout. And, 24 psi.

I think the most passes I have ever got is a set I ran the majority at good tracks and that included 23 passes at Redlist where I hot lapped pass after pass with good prep so I cut way back on the burnout. I think I got over 90 on that set. Maybe 100. Can't remember. Do you keep good records or are you guessing?

I don't keep records but I do keep every slip in the glove box. I can without a doubt say 75 for sure but I would have to count them all to be sure between 75 and 100 passes. How are you deciding when they are done? When the tire stops hooking or visually?

 

[DRAGRCR]

So how are you guys deciding when they are done? I always thought they were good until the lines were completely gone?

There are wear bars in the outer slots. Go by those. Typically the center grooves will be completely gone. Just a witness they were there. Then watch for chord. You have to check the whole tire if you want to run them to the chord as it will start in only one spot. This is the first showing of chord in this one spot on both tires. But some sets may be different. One set I had a patch in one and it went to chord right in the spot where the patch was.

 

[DRAGRCR]

I've only ran one set threw my RE so far. I do the same, I run them until they are bald, which the left usually burns the tire down a bit faster than the right. I've seen some people run them until the rubber is gone and the steel is showing. I won't go that far. I also would recommend getting rid of them if they are bald and no longer hooking as well.

If I try the Hoosiers, I need to figure out how far I can burn those down, since they aren't a radial tire.

News Flash. The Hoosier tire I am referring to is a Radial. It is a 28/10.5 R17 Drag Bracket Radial. 18825 DBR They also make it in an 18

 

[DRAGRCR]

Awesome, thanks! I'll give them a call when I can. Money is a bit tight right now with house projects, but I really want a drag pack so I'll call them as soon as I can.

So is the airbag light coming on because the seat is removed?

Once I burn threw my current set of MT ET Rs, I will look into those Hoosiers. Always nice to try something new to see if it works better.

Appreciate all the info!

Waiting for a local(ish) track to be open. End of March......ugh damn winter!!

Yes the airbag light will be on when you remove the seat. Irwindale will not let you run with an airbag light on. Probably not a brake light etc either.

 

[Markp]

Yes the airbag light will be on when you remove the seat. Irwindale will not let you run with an airbag light on. Probably not a brake light etc either.

Wow you should take a trip to Napierville. You can run in sandals and shorts and that is in low 9s cars

 

[DGatzby]

If you look at page 11 on the link I posted you will also notice that a standard Hellcat sits a half inch lower then a widebody. Also the standard body has a lower drag coefficient. So widebodys are just a gimmick All that money for widebody just to fit 305s which fit anyways.

I know I am rare, but...We can fit huge rubber on a WB, you regular body people can only dream of. For the road course, and street performance, and its mods, the WB rules IMO.

 

[HRJ]

I was curious to know if you had your car yet. I thik LOD is going to make the January event at HRP a "Legion and Friends" event next year. Maybe we can line them up..........

Cool, then we can go hit the streets and hurt some feelings lmao

 

[TNREDEYE]

Welcome to the club Ron! It'll be fun hearing your take on the differences between Ol' One Seat and your new Redeye.

A few things to cover:
Yes, I do have the performance spoiler. Longer and lower typically provides as much or more downforce w less drag than shorter and higher. I don't know if that's the case here but I would have bought it just for the looks anyway 😉

I have run all of my best et's on 93 pump gas. I've tried octane boost, Renegade (HR102?) As well as the e90 mix. In the end it seems my car likes plain old pump gas.

The RE front sway bar weighs 25lbs. Apparently the Demon bar is smaller.

I've got a set of the 18825DBR Hoosiers coming and I think I'm going to order the BS wheels for my drag only's.
IF I can get to another good track w some really good DA I may put the seats, trunk stuff and sway bar back on to see what it'll go 'stock'... Before yanking that stuff back out and trying to get a 9 out of it. Of course, that's all predicated on finding that good air again.