Redeyes: Modded and Dyno'd

[Maxboost]

Pull a spark plug and post a pic.

This stuff is for real. I used it and 2 gallons of ms109/93 mix to activate the HO on the redeye. I switched from boostane to the vp on the gt500 b/c advanced auto sells it. Run it in every tank on that car.

 

[Maxboost]

View attachment 13371 I’m making around 16.75 to 17.25 lbs of boost as well. I’ve switched to this supposed O2 sensor and Cat friendly VP Octanium, 1 qt in 15 or so gallons of 93 should make for 96-97 octane and track time a Qt in 10 gallons of 93 supposed to whip up 100 octane fuel. Torco type results in a sensor safe mix, sounds maddish even. But Knock sensor volts in a next to nothing 1300 milivolt range and even bank to bank at 6500 rpms and 17.25 lbs of boost is saying engine seems very happy running it. And I run mine hard at least one 1/4 run every time out, 11.5 1/4’s on dusty cold asphalt in the dark View attachment 13368 ain’t bad around here in February

Where’s the actual timing pid?

 

[16GoManGoHC2]

Where’s the actual timing pid?

Don’t really know, I’m tuned with DS and just recently playing with HPT, I’ll see if I can find it.

@Speedy has my tune file in HPT, Speedy can you answer this? From the Lancr email address.

 

[Speedy!]

The PID for timing advance is "actual spark" in HPT.

Those plugs have a slight tint of orange but nothing too bad like I've seen with Boostane. I've used Boostane two times and my plugs stayed orange for a while LOL.

 

[16GoManGoHC2]

I’ll see what I can find but won’t be home for a week, in AZ visiting family, granddaughters 4th B day next week
Traded the cold and snow ⛄️ for hot and desert 🌵 , wish I could have gotten my cat in my carry on but like usual it’s a bit too heavy lol

 

[DGatzby]

This stuff is for real. I used it and 2 gallons of ms109/93 mix to activate the HO on the redeye. I switched from boostane to the vp on the gt500 b/c advanced auto sells it. Run it in every tank on that car.

Thanks guys. I have not liked the Turco orange color either. Even us lowly road racers learn great stuff reading the drag racing threads. Walmart delivers this also. Amazon would not sell the "unleaded". So I searched and good ole Walmart has it. Has the case price FYI.

 

[16GoManGoHC2]

What Walmart want for a case? $22 a qt here at Advance Auto

 

[DGatzby]

$18.25 per bottle. Including tax and delivery to my door. Unbelievable.
Walmart...they have everything!

 

[DGatzby]

Now what should I do with my half dozen bottles of Turco in the garage? This Forum always costs me so much money every day.

 

[motorhead]

Turco or Torco?

I've used this in the past: https://www.amazon.ca/Torco-F500010...e+booster&qid=1583068507&sprefix=torco&sr=8-3

Pouring a can in always felt like this:

 

[DGatzby]

Turco or Torco?

I've used this in the past: https://www.amazon.ca/Torco-F500010...e+booster&qid=1583068507&sprefix=torco&sr=8-3

Pouring a can in always felt like this:

I guess it is with the O. It does help, but the orange MMT residue always has bothered me, so given the recommendations and pictures above, I am going to try this product.

 

[motorhead]

I guess it is with the O. It does help, but the orange MMT residue always has bothered me, so given the recommendations and pictures above, I am going to try this product.

Marty Turco was goalie who played most of his career with the Dallas Stars... good performer, but I doubt he'd fit in your gas tank.

Do you know what doesn't foul plugs or cost an arm and a leg? Propane and/or alcohol injection.

 

[DGatzby]

This stuff is too simple. I really don't want to mod it that way. Maybe an optimizing tune for road coursing sometime. I use that booster along with 93 at the track. Never did until upon running the '15 hard in the afternoon extended sessions once, it started to give off mid-fire codes. It did not do it after that using the stuff. It also cleared the code on its own later that evening after some starts and stops. If this stuff has less of the MMT stains, it seems like a better idea.

 

[coolblue]

This stuff is too simple. I really don't want to mod it that way. Maybe an optimizing tune for road coursing sometime. I use that booster along with 93 at the track. Never did until upon running the '15 hard in the afternoon extended sessions once, it started to give off mid-fire codes. It did not do it after that using the stuff. It also cleared the code on its own later that evening after some starts and stops. If this stuff has less of the MMT stains, it seems like a better idea.

Why does the stains from the MMT bother everyone so much? If the car runs better and that is the color of the burn, than so be it. In the old days that was the perfect burn (that burnt orangi'sh or tan color on the porcelain). Today the gas has so much alcohol and other clean burn chemicals mixed with the petrol they always look white sometimes slight grey, but much harder to get a read. Does the MMT affect sensors or emissions (i.e. catalytic converter problems)? is that what everyone's concerned about? Because the coloring looks fine to me as long as there's no oil fowling.

 

[Hpmaniac]

I really like the boostane. Really cheap way to have a hot pump gas tune. With 10 oz of boostane added to 16 gallons of pump gas I was able to safely add a couple degrees of timing to my pump tune with zero kr.

 

[DGatzby]

Why does the stains from the MMT bother everyone so much? If the car runs better and that is the color of the burn, than so be it. In the old days that was the perfect burn (that burnt orangi'sh or tan color on the porcelain). Today the gas has so much alcohol and other clean burn chemicals mixed with the petrol they always look white sometimes slight grey, but much harder to get a read. Does the MMT affect sensors or emissions (i.e. catalytic converter problems)? is that what everyone's concerned about? Because the coloring looks fine to me as long as there's no oil fowling.

My thoughts are if it leaves a deposit on the plugs or anywhere in the exhaust stream, then those deposits over time lead to various malfunctions? From misfire due to fouled plugs to bad readings on the O2 sensors or maybe damage to the converters that cannot be reversed?

These guys are showing me an alternative that does not show the signs of additional coatings of "stuff" in my engine, then I am in.

Hey, I'll have a few cans of the Torco stuff available if anyone wants them, no problem. I am switching brands and very soon I am going to try the suggested different item.

 

[16GoManGoHC2]

I still use Torco in my Capri with Nitrous, it doesn’t have any sensors or cats to worry about, message me details about purchasing what you don’t want.

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

My thoughts are if it leaves a deposit on the plugs or anywhere in the exhaust stream, then those deposits over time lead to various malfunctions? From misfire due to fouled plugs to bad readings on the O2 sensors or maybe damage to the converters that cannot be reversed?
These guys are showing me an alternative that does not show the signs of additional coatings of "stuff" in my engine, then I am in.
Hey, I'll have a few cans of the Torco stuff available if anyone wants them, no problem. I am switching brands and very soon I am going to try the suggested different item.

What @coolblue is talking about is not that there is a coating, it's that people are worried about the color of it.

Your plugs have a coating on them now... it just isn't orange. If the effect of the octane booster was purple, we'd be having the same conversation... but if it was more brown/grey, nobody would be talking about it.

I prefer the octane booster route, because it's in your control as to whether or not it's going to work. When you start using meth or propane or water to bandaid your lack of octane, you runs risks inherent with bandaid systems. If you're using them to improve performance on a 93 tune, great, but I wouldn't recommend using them to grenade your motor when they stop working.

 

[DGatzby]

I am just using it when I track it to make sure it has the octane it needs to keep itself out of pulling timing. I have a very demanding right foot, and when I press it down, it needs to go without a hiccup or fart at all. Plus, I want all it has if I am WOT, that is why I paid dearly even for 90 more theoretical horsepower. But, while doing that, I don't want to degrade any of the components in my car.

 

[motorhead]

What @coolblue is talking about is not that there is a coating, it's that people are worried about the color of it.

Your plugs have a coating on them now... it just isn't orange. If the effect of the octane booster was purple, we'd be having the same conversation... but if it was more brown/grey, nobody would be talking about it.

I prefer the octane booster route, because it's in your control as to whether or not it's going to work. When you start using meth or propane or water to bandaid your lack of octane, you runs risks inherent with bandaid systems. If you're using them to improve performance on a 93 tune, great, but I wouldn't recommend using them to grenade your motor when they stop working.

Differences in base octane from tank to tank and station to station, coupled with inconsistencies with mixing additives I really question the validity of the methodology proposed. How is anyone testing for blends, especially considering there is always going to be residual additives stacking up from tank to tank. The mix ratios are going to be inconsistent. Too much? May impact sensors and/or slow down the burn with too much octane (misfire codes). Too little? May not provide the desired amount of octane and lead to other problems. Engine goes boom.

As I have stated before the HC community is the only performance platform that shy's away from supplemental fuel systems - Evos, STis, boosted Fords and Mazdas, Turbo Buicks, boosted LS/LTs, and on and on... all lean toward alcohol injection (I fully acknowledge that I am an outlier with the propane voodoo experience. S-P-O-O-K-Y!) and have long standing reliable results (decades and decades worth). The bias around here is unfounded and alarmingly anecdotal. Especially considering the HC platform is Closed Loop under WOT and can compensate for a lean condition in real-time should a problem arise - failures, which with proper maintance and care, are extremely isolated.

I don't want to say you are wrong, but you are wrong. Okay, I wanted to say you are wrong. Because you are. Really wrong.

Would a factory flex fuel fuel system be ideal with E85 pumps on every corner? Sure - that would be nice, but that isn't realistic or rational.