Demon 170 performance in perspective…

[DRAGRCR]

I heard a nasty rumour that there is another Halo ICE car coming, D170 not the last one. From a a fairly well connected source, but we'll see...................

It sure looks like that Silver car has fender flares on the front. Maybe a "handling" HALO? Plus they were working on suspension at the Stellantis facility in Florida. Not likely DRAG suspension tuning. Right?

 

[jroyk]

D171

D170 Deluxe

 

[jroyk]

So if the current Challenger platform continues into the 2024 MY and has a V8 with a power adder, how pissed off are the "Last Call" buyers going to be...?

Stellantis would never screw their loyal customers. Would they?

 

[Illegal_Demon]

if their flex is setup to see e90 then my guess max timing is 18 degrees and 17 on e85.
second thing. It will have to bleed boost depending on ethonal content.
another thing to all the haters that say e85 can’t go through the factory cats. Well here you go.
My concern is with cat over temp still. These cars could still be really choked down just like the redeye.

So I just bought the MotorTrend issue that features the D170 build and gives a really nice send off to the Challenger platform. The history chronicles back to 1967. A must-read and buy imo if you love the Challenger, even if you are not getting the D170.

Anyhow, in that write-up and I quote here are some details on the E85 set up (see attachment).


Given this 65% caveat for the tune, before locking in on a station to fill up at for the D170, it sounds like doing an area canvas for the best E85 might be in order. At a minimum, you're gonna want 65% alcohol content. Also, if I am reading this right, Dodge had to leave some of that tune off the table since 83% might only be available in a few select places. Given that, maybe there is a bit of room to get even more aggressive and modify the stock 170 tune if you could somehow consistently get 80+ E85. Then again maybe the internals are built to only withstand operating at 65%. I'll let the board's tuning experts take it from there!

BTW they also mention something here I read nowhere else. Micky Thompson tried to "bow out" since they weren't sure they could produce 3300 x 4 wheels for the car. In the end, Dodge convinced them to stay. Given this I plan to buy a set or two as soon as I take delivery of the D170.

 

[vortecd]

So I just bought the MotorTrend issue that features the D170 build and gives a really nice send off to the Challenger platform. The history chronicles back to 1967. A must-read and buy imo if you love the Challenger, even if you are not getting the D170.

Anyhow, in that write-up and I quote here are some details on the E85 set up (see attachment).
View attachment 104642

Given this 65% caveat for the tune, before locking in on a station to fill up at for the D170, it sounds like doing an area canvas for the best E85 might be in order. At a minimum, you're gonna want 65% alcohol content. Also, if I am reading this right, Dodge had to leave some of that tune off the table since 83% might only be available in a few select places. Given that, maybe there is a bit of room to get even more aggressive and modify the stock 170 tune if you could somehow consistently get 80+ E85. Then again maybe the internals are built to only withstand operating at 65%. I'll let the board's tuning experts take it from there!

BTW they also mention something here I read nowhere else. Micky Thompson tried to "bow out" since they weren't sure they could produce 3300 x 4 wheels for the car. In the end, Dodge convinced them to stay. Given this I plan to buy a set or two as soon as I take delivery of the D170.

At least here the content stays pretty consistent. I tested it all last year and the only time it changed was in the fall. This spring it was low 75% but finally hit 80% at one of the stations a few weeks ago. I stick with the same station but believe most if not all are getting the e85 from the same place

You could also get a drum E85r and mix it if you are looking for more. I tested Ethanol 1 at 96%

 

[jonx96]

So I just bought the MotorTrend issue that features the D170 build and gives a really nice send off to the Challenger platform. The history chronicles back to 1967. A must-read and buy imo if you love the Challenger, even if you are not getting the D170.

Anyhow, in that write-up and I quote here are some details on the E85 set up (see attachment).
View attachment 104642

Given this 65% caveat for the tune, before locking in on a station to fill up at for the D170, it sounds like doing an area canvas for the best E85 might be in order. At a minimum, you're gonna want 65% alcohol content. Also, if I am reading this right, Dodge had to leave some of that tune off the table since 83% might only be available in a few select places. Given that, maybe there is a bit of room to get even more aggressive and modify the stock 170 tune if you could somehow consistently get 80+ E85. Then again maybe the internals are built to only withstand operating at 65%. I'll let the board's tuning experts take it from there!

BTW they also mention something here I read nowhere else. Micky Thompson tried to "bow out" since they weren't sure they could produce 3300 x 4 wheels for the car. In the end, Dodge convinced them to stay. Given this I plan to buy a set or two as soon as I take delivery of the D170.

There are numerous blend and multiplier tables. So e60 will not make the power of e85.

 

[Speedy!]

That article isn't exactly accurate. E85 means E85. What the stations sell can vary (legally ?) from 51 - 83 however so maybe it's mincing words.

I use the same brand in my car and it tests E70 in the winter and E85 - E89 in the summer. Crystal clear and smells like moonshine in the summer and has just a tinge of gas smell in the winter although it's still crystal clear.

For tuning's sake I've always been taught that E70 and up is enough for max power and that last 15% doesn't mean a whole lot. Dodge going to E65 was a little surprising but they just left a couple degrees out of the tune which won't matter much either.

 

[jonx96]

@Speedy! May not matter in your tune. I’m willing to bet mine blows on e70 🤣

 

[Speedy!]

Good point

All joking a side I don't think the octane rating and knock resistance are that much higher once you get above E70 to E85. Now the special E98R fuel (or whichever) some people tune specifically for is out of bounds on that comment though.

 

[fumanchu182]

That article isn't exactly accurate. E85 means E85. What the stations sell can vary (legally ?) from 51 - 83 however so maybe it's mincing words.

I use the same brand in my car and it tests E70 in the winter and E85 - E89 in the summer. Crystal clear and smells like moonshine in the summer and has just a tinge of gas smell in the winter although it's still crystal clear.

For tuning's sake I've always been taught that E70 and up is enough for max power and that last 15% doesn't mean a whole lot. Dodge going to E65 was a little surprising but they just left a couple degrees out of the tune which won't matter much either.

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Knock sensor humor:

Knock knock...
"Who's there?"
"Sensor"
"Sensor who?"
P0330

I don't agree with the sentiment that anything above e70 is good to go, I've had a shit ass time on anything but e85 or above.



vs rating of



this also assumes they cut it with 93, no one is forced to do do that...

 

[TNREDEYE]

Speedy - I've been getting my pump E at Speedway in M'boro. Is there anywhere else in town that has a reliable supply?

 

[drag racer]

I'd bet some good money "they" ain't cutting the E with 93!! In reality, you probably don't want to know what the other garbage is that I have heard they use

 

[Illegal_Demon]

At least here the content stays pretty consistent. I tested it all last year and the only time it changed was in the fall. This spring it was low 75% but finally hit 80% at one of the stations a few weeks ago. I stick with the same station but believe most if not all are getting the e85 from the same place

You could also get a drum E85r and mix it if you are looking for more. I tested Ethanol 1 at 96%

What testing equipment do you use?

 

[Boris]

That article isn't exactly accurate. E85 means E85. What the stations sell can vary (legally ?) from 51 - 83 however so maybe it's mincing words.

I use the same brand in my car and it tests E70 in the winter and E85 - E89 in the summer. Crystal clear and smells like moonshine in the summer and has just a tinge of gas smell in the winter although it's still crystal clear.

For tuning's sake I've always been taught that E70 and up is enough for max power and that last 15% doesn't mean a whole lot. Dodge going to E65 was a little surprising but they just left a couple degrees out of the tune which won't matter much either.

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Safety net.
This is why all these cars that get modified can make more power on stock parts before blowing up.

They don't want to have to fix everything. And 99.9% of the people don't want a ragged edge street car either.

Im curious if Dodge recommends using a tank of regular 91/93 in this from time to time.

 

[Speedy!]

Knock sensor humor:

Knock knock...
"Who's there?"
"Sensor"
"Sensor who?"
P0330

I don't agree with the sentiment that anything above e70 is good to go, I've had a shit ass time on anything but e85 or above.

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vs rating of

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this also assumes they cut it with 93, no one is forced to do do that...

Well, what you posted lines up with what I've been told. I'm not an expert here just sharing what's been told to me so YMMV but you can see the octane rating between E70 and E85 is very close at 15% less ethanol content and considering the volume of fluid as well there's the knock resistance. I've run my car WOT a lot on my E85 street tune on fuel that tested E70 and I never saw any STKR in the logs. I'm also not commanding 24° of timing either though. At the track I ONLY run Renegade Pro E85 so I know for sure it's good fuel with a good race base for that 15% that's not ethanol.

Speedy - I've been getting my pump E at Speedway in M'boro. Is there anywhere else in town that has a reliable supply?

Speedway is the best I've ever seen and all I run in mine. I've tested at several locations and they've all been identical. I typically use the one on M'boro road in Smyrna or the one at the Almaville rd exit off I24. I don't even test it anymore just fill up and go.

 

[TNREDEYE]

Speedway is the best I've ever seen and all I run in mine. I've tested at several locations and they've all been identical. I typically use the one on M'boro road in Smyrna or the one at the Almaville rd exit off I24. I don't even test it anymore just fill up and go.

Thanks, I've been using the Speedway on South Church and the one in Shelbyville as we live about half way between the two. I've checked it regularly and since January it's been spot on E70 every time at both locations. It's good to hear that it's consistent at other locations too. Any idea when the E85 typically comes back?

 

[Illegal_Demon]

What e85 test equipment do u all recommend?

So do you come with a canister and buy a dollar worth before purchasing? Sorry 100% new to this so it seems logistically a bit 🥜!

 

[TNREDEYE]

What e85 test equipment do u all recommend?

So do you come with a canister and buy a dollar worth before purchasing? Sorry 100% new to this so it seems logistically a bit 🥜!

I use the Boostmonkey E tester. VERY simple to use. I keep a small gatorade bottle in the trunk to catch a bit of fuel at the pump and then test it at home. Not much to it once you get used to it.

 

[vortecd]

What e85 test equipment do u all recommend?

So do you come with a canister and buy a dollar worth before purchasing? Sorry 100% new to this so it seems logistically a bit 🥜!

This year that is what I have been doing, buying a $1 worth. I have a small container I put some in and test it when I get home. You can get testers on amazon

 

[Illegal_Demon]

I use the Boostmonkey E tester. VERY simple to use. I keep a small gatorade bottle in the trunk to catch a bit of fuel at the pump and then test it at home. Not much to it once you get used to it.

Thx. So the ounce or so in the” leftovers” from someone else’s gas up is enough to test? I’m just imagining buying 20 cents of gas to test every time 😂